{"id":101138,"date":"2016-11-21T19:32:50","date_gmt":"2016-11-21T18:32:50","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.visit-ulcinj.com\/blog\/?p=101138"},"modified":"2016-11-22T16:02:01","modified_gmt":"2016-11-22T15:02:01","slug":"nimanbegu-presim-ndryshime-substanciale-por-ato-jane-ne-dore-te","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.visit-ulcinj.com\/blog\/2016\/11\/21\/nimanbegu-presim-ndryshime-substanciale-por-ato-jane-ne-dore-te\/","title":{"rendered":"Nimanbegu: Presim ndryshime substanciale, por ato jan\u00eb n\u00eb dor\u00eb t\u00eb …"},"content":{"rendered":"

\"Genci<\/a>Genci Nimanbegu: N\u00eb Mal t\u00eb Zi mund t\u00eb d\u00ebnohesh n\u00ebse n\u00eb vendet publike e mban\u00eb flamurin komb\u00ebtar (Intervist\u00eb)<\/strong><\/p>\n

Genci Nimanbegu<\/strong> \u00ebsht\u00eb deputeti shqiptar i Kuvendit t\u00eb Republik\u00ebs s\u00eb Malit t\u00eb Zi i cili ka marr\u00eb mandatin n\u00eb zgjedhjet fundit si pjes\u00eb e list\u00ebs \u201cShqiptar\u00ebt e vendosur\u201d. Ai po ashtu drejton edhe K\u00ebshillin Komb\u00ebtar t\u00eb Shqiptar\u00ebve n\u00eb Mal t\u00eb Zi. \u00a0N\u00eb nj\u00eb intervist\u00eb ekskluzive p\u00ebr Gazeta e Re<\/em><\/strong>, Genci Nimanbegu flet p\u00ebr pozit\u00ebn aktuale t\u00eb shqiptar\u00ebve n\u00eb Mal t\u00eb Zi, problemet dhe sfidat e tyre, interesin e Kosov\u00ebs dhe Shqip\u00ebris\u00eb, e po ashtu edhe p\u00ebr qasjen e Podgoric\u00ebs zyrtar karshi shqiptar\u00ebve n\u00eb Mal t\u00eb Zi.<\/p>\n

Mes tjerash ai kujton se \u201dproblemi m\u00eb kryesor dhe elementar me t\u00eb cilin p\u00ebrballen \u00e7do dit\u00eb \u00ebsht\u00eb centralizimi i pushtetit n\u00eb shum\u00eb fusha, pastaj Ligji zgjedhor me t\u00eb cilin shqiptar\u00ebt kan\u00eb arritur t\u00eb marrin vet\u00ebm nj\u00eb mandat n\u00eb Kuvendin e Malit t\u00eb Zi<\/em>\u201d, prandaj ai mendon se qasja e Podgoric\u00ebs zyrtar duhet t\u00eb ndryshoj\u00eb karshi shqiptar\u00ebve.<\/p>\n

N\u00eb lidhje me p\u00ebrdorimin e flamurit komb\u00ebtar t\u00eb shqiptar\u00ebve n\u00eb Mal t\u00eb Zi, deputeti Nimanbegu shpjegon se si pasoj e paqart\u00ebsive mes Ligjit p\u00ebr simbolet dhe Ligjit p\u00ebr rendin publik, mbajt\u00ebsit e flamurit shqiptar mund t\u00eb gjendet para situatave ku edhe mund t\u00eb d\u00ebnohen.<\/p>\n

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GeR: <\/strong>Z. Nimanbegu, pas gjith\u00eb peripecive t\u00eb cilat i ka kaluar Mali i Zi, sidomos prej pas shpalljes s\u00eb pavar\u00ebsis\u00eb dhe kontributit t\u00eb shqiptar\u00ebve p\u00ebr k\u00ebt\u00eb shtet, cila \u00ebsht\u00eb pozita e shqiptar\u00ebve n\u00eb Mal t\u00eb Zi sot?<\/p>\n

Nimanbegu:<\/strong> Po keni t\u00eb drejt\u00eb, populli shqiptar ka kontribuar n\u00eb formimin e\u00a0 ri t\u00eb shtetit t\u00eb Malit t\u00eb Zi, pothuajse votat e shqiptar\u00ebve ishin vendimtare n\u00eb k\u00ebt\u00eb proces mjaft t\u00eb v\u00ebshtir\u00eb n\u00eb at\u00eb koh\u00eb, si dhe t\u00eb gjith\u00eb pakicat tjera. Jo vet\u00ebm kaq, pasi q\u00eb shqiptar\u00ebt kan\u00eb treguar pjekuri politike kur jan\u00eb n\u00eb pyetje \u00e7\u00ebshtjet m\u00eb t\u00eb r\u00ebnd\u00ebsishme, sidomos kur jan\u00eb n\u00eb pyetje integrimet Euro-Atlantike. Por, tani 10 vite pas pavar\u00ebsis\u00eb ne ende nuk mund t\u00eb lavd\u00ebrohemi se statusi yn\u00eb si pakic\u00eb autoktone \u00ebsht\u00eb i k\u00ebnaqsh\u00ebm, p\u00ebrkundrazi n\u00ebse e analizojm\u00eb situat\u00ebn e p\u00ebrgjithshme, ajo \u00ebsht\u00eb e p\u00ebrkeq\u00ebsuar. Kushtetuta dhe legjislacioni nuk implementohen sipas nevojave dhe pritshm\u00ebris\u00eb ton\u00eb.<\/p>\n

Mendoj se shqiptar\u00ebt si popull autokton nuk jan\u00eb t\u00eb respektuar n\u00eb mas\u00ebn e duhur, madje mendoj se jemi t\u00eb diskriminuar n\u00eb mjaft aspekte, sepse t\u00eb gjitha trevat ku jetojn\u00eb shqiptar\u00ebt jan\u00eb m\u00eb t\u00eb pazhvilluarat dhe statusi yn\u00eb si politik ashtu edhe socio-ekonomik \u00ebsht\u00eb i dob\u00ebsuar. Politika e shtetit me vite t\u00eb t\u00ebra nuk ka treguar as vullnet e as gatishm\u00ebri p\u00ebr t\u00eb realizuar k\u00ebrkesat e shumta, q\u00eb ne si subjekt politik i kemi shtruar n\u00eb vazhdim\u00ebsi.<\/p>\n

K\u00ebtu duhet t\u00eb theksohet edhe vet\u00eb politika shqiptare n\u00eb Malin e Zi e cila m\u00eb tep\u00ebr \u00ebsht\u00eb marr me vetvete dhe k\u00ebshtu e dob\u00ebsuar nuk ka arriti t\u00eb jet\u00eb unike n\u00eb shum\u00eb k\u00ebrkesa. Kjo ndasi normalisht \u00ebsht\u00eb shfryt\u00ebzuar, por edhe nxitur nga t\u00eb tjer\u00ebt si pushtet, por edhe pjes\u00ebtar t\u00eb opozit\u00ebs p\u00ebr t\u00eb ulur k\u00ebrkesat tona dhe duke shmangur p\u00ebrgjegj\u00ebsin\u00eb e tyre.<\/p>\n

\"Genci<\/a><\/p>\n

GeR: <\/strong>Cilat jan\u00eb problemet dhe sfidat kryesore me t\u00eb cilat p\u00ebrballen shqiptaret n\u00eb Mal t\u00eb Zi?<\/p>\n

Nimanbegu:<\/strong> Kemi shum\u00eb probleme me t\u00eb cilat po p\u00ebrballohemi me dekada e t\u00eb cilat nuk hasin n\u00eb p\u00ebrkrahje p\u00ebr t\u2019u realizuar, por vet\u00ebm sa vin\u00eb e shtohen. Si problemet m\u00eb kryesore dhe elementare me t\u00eb cilat p\u00ebrballemi \u00e7do dit\u00eb do t\u00eb ve\u00e7oj centralizimin e pushtetit n\u00eb shum\u00eb fusha, e sidomos n\u00eb arsim, pastaj Ligjit zgjedhor me t\u00eb cilin shqiptar\u00ebt kan\u00eb arritur t\u00eb marrin vet\u00ebm nj\u00eb mandat n\u00eb Kuvendin e Malit t\u00eb Zi. Pastaj \u00e7\u00ebshtja e Komun\u00ebs s\u00eb plot\u00eb t\u00eb Tuzit \u00ebsht\u00eb drejtp\u00ebrdrejt\u00eb problem politik dhe kjo duhet t\u00eb zgjidhet n\u00eb t\u00eb mir\u00eb t\u00eb banor\u00ebve t\u00eb k\u00ebsaj zone. Problem kemi me kthimin e pronave shqiptare, asimilimi dhe shp\u00ebrngulja e shqiptar\u00ebve jan\u00eb dukuri shum\u00eb brengos\u00ebse, pun\u00ebsimet proporcionale t\u00eb pakic\u00ebs shqiptare n\u00eb institucionet shtet\u00ebrore nuk respektohen. Po ashtu duhet t\u00eb kemi investime t\u00eb q\u00ebndrueshme n\u00eb zonat ku banojn\u00eb shqiptar\u00ebt. T\u00eb gjitha k\u00ebto k\u00ebrkesa jan\u00eb d\u00ebshmi mungese e vullnetit politik\u00eb p\u00ebr t\u2019i realizuar, pasi q\u00eb me Kushtetut\u00eb dhe ligje ato jan\u00eb t\u00eb p\u00ebrcaktuara. Shembulli m\u00eb i mir\u00eb \u00ebsht\u00eb ligji mbi p\u00ebrdorimin e lir\u00eb t\u00eb simboleve komb\u00ebtare. Edhe pse p\u00ebrdorimi \u00ebsht\u00eb i lir\u00eb, kemi pasur rast k\u00ebt\u00eb vit kur jan\u00eb gjobitur turist\u00eb nga Shqip\u00ebria, sipas nj\u00eb ligji tjet\u00ebr dhe m\u00eb duket si i vemi rast nga 2006 e k\u00ebtej.<\/p>\n

GeR: <\/strong>Pas procesit t\u00eb fundit zgjedhor n\u00eb nivel vendi, me ardhjen e garniturave t\u00eb reja n\u00eb politik\u00ebn e vendit, a prisni t\u00eb ket\u00eb ndryshime pozitive p\u00ebr shqiptar\u00ebt n\u00eb Mal t\u00eb Zi?<\/p>\n

Nimanbegu:<\/strong> Zgjedhjet e fundit parlamentare kan\u00eb dh\u00ebn\u00eb rezultate t\u00eb papritura pothuajse p\u00ebr t\u00eb gjith\u00eb, e sidomos p\u00ebr shqiptar\u00ebt. Ky fakt duhet t\u00eb na b\u00ebj\u00eb politikisht edhe m\u00eb t\u00eb nd\u00ebrgjegjsh\u00ebm t\u00eb gjith\u00ebve si shoq\u00ebri, sepse mbi t\u00eb gjitha k\u00ebtu duhet t\u00eb dominoj\u00eb mbrojtja e identitetit dhe vlerave komb\u00ebtare si popull autokton. Ne si koalicion \u201cShqiptar\u00ebt t\u00eb vendosur\u201d kemi hartuar nj\u00eb Platform\u00eb Politike<\/em> t\u00eb cil\u00ebn do ta prezantojm\u00eb dhe ajo do t\u00eb jet\u00eb baz\u00eb \u00a0p\u00ebr hyrje n\u00eb Qeverin\u00eb e re t\u00eb Malit t\u00eb Zi. N\u00ebse k\u00ebrkesat tona do t\u00eb ken\u00eb p\u00ebrkrahje dhe vullnet q\u00eb m\u00eb n\u00eb fund t\u00eb fillojn\u00eb t\u00eb realizohen, at\u00ebher\u00eb edhe ne do t\u00eb hyjm\u00eb n\u00eb shumic\u00ebn e re parlamentare dhe mund t\u00eb kemi ndryshime pozitive p\u00ebr shqiptar\u00ebt. P\u00ebrndryshe, n\u00ebse k\u00ebrkesat tona elementare dhe t\u00eb kamotshme p\u00ebrs\u00ebri nuk p\u00ebrfillen, at\u00ebher\u00eb nuk mund t\u00eb presim l\u00ebvizje pozitive as p\u00ebr shqiptar\u00ebt, sepse k\u00ebrkesat dhe t\u00eb drejtat e popullit shqiptar\u00eb mund t\u00eb realizohen vet\u00ebm p\u00ebrmes subjekteve politike shqiptare. Ne si shqiptar\u00eb kemi gatishm\u00ebri dhe kapacitet, ashtu si edhe deri tani, por mungon realizimi nga ana e Qeveris\u00eb dhe organeve tjera shtet\u00ebrore.<\/p>\n

Periudha e ardhshme do t\u00eb ket\u00eb n\u00eb fokus s\u00eb paku dy synime politike: Integrimin n\u00eb NATO dhe kjo \u00ebsht\u00eb arsyeja edhe p\u00ebr polarizimin e sken\u00ebs politike n\u00eb Malin e Zi dhe mungesa e zhvillimit t\u00eb q\u00ebndruesh\u00ebm ekonomik\u00eb, por edhe pabarazia e zhvillimit ekonomik\u00eb t\u00eb zonave n\u00eb vet\u00eb Malin e Zi.<\/p>\n

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N\u00ebse ky dallim me politika t\u00eb ndryshme zbutet dhe fillon investimi q\u00eb do t\u00eb rris pun\u00ebsimin, infrastruktur\u00ebn n\u00eb zona m\u00eb pak t\u00eb zhvilluara n\u00eb Mal t\u00eb Zi at\u00ebher\u00eb edhe p\u00ebr Shqiptaret do t\u00eb fillojn\u00eb ndryshime pozitive.<\/p>\n

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GeR: <\/strong>Si do ta vler\u00ebsonit qasjen e Republik\u00ebs s\u00eb Kosov\u00ebs ndaj shqiptar\u00ebve n\u00eb Mal t\u00eb Zi karshi t\u00eb gjitha atyre nevojave e problemeve me t\u00eb cilat p\u00ebrballet shqiptari i Malit t\u00eb Zi e q\u00eb Kosova do t\u00eb mund t\u00eb b\u00ebnte di\u00e7ka?<\/p>\n

Nimanbegu:<\/strong> Sa i p\u00ebrket Republik\u00ebs s\u00eb Kosov\u00ebs, mund t\u00eb them se kemi nj\u00eb lidhshm\u00ebri dhe mir\u00ebkuptim. Por kur \u00ebsht\u00eb n\u00eb pyetje qasja institucionale duhet t\u00eb kemi parasysh se Kosova \u00ebsht\u00eb shtet i ri i cili ka pasur shum\u00eb probleme t\u00eb brendshme p\u00ebr t\u2019u nd\u00ebrtuar dhe p\u00ebr t\u00eb funksionuar. N\u00eb k\u00ebt\u00eb kontekst edhe funksionimi nd\u00ebrshtet\u00ebror\u00eb\u00a0 me Malin e Zi \u00ebsht\u00eb ende n\u00eb formim e sip\u00ebr dhe ka mjaft \u00e7\u00ebshtje t\u00eb hapura t\u00eb cilat presin zgjidhje, nj\u00eb nd\u00ebr t\u00eb cilat \u00ebsht\u00eb edhe \u00e7\u00ebshtja e ish t\u00eb pun\u00ebsuarve nga Mali i Zi n\u00eb Kosov\u00eb, t\u00eb cil\u00ebve ju mungojn\u00eb vitet e pun\u00ebs nga Kosova, p\u00ebr t\u00eb pasur pensionin m\u00eb t\u00eb plot\u00eb.\u00a0 Ndihm\u00ebn m\u00eb t\u00eb madhe e kemi pasur n\u00eb fush\u00ebn e arsimit, me regjistrimin e student\u00ebve dhe ndihm\u00eb n\u00eb tekste shkollore dhe mjete didaktike, por shpresojm\u00eb se n\u00eb t\u00eb ardhmen do t\u00eb krijojm\u00eb nj\u00eb bashk\u00ebpunim m\u00eb t\u00eb lart\u00eb institucional edhe n\u00eb fushat tjera pasi q\u00eb ne si pakic\u00eb shqiptare k\u00ebt\u00eb e presim nga institucionet dhe diplomacia Kosovare.<\/p>\n

\"Genci<\/a><\/p>\n

GeR: <\/strong>Po ashtu, si do ta vler\u00ebsonit qasjen e Republik\u00ebs s\u00eb Shqip\u00ebris\u00eb ndaj shqiptar\u00ebve n\u00eb Mal t\u00eb Zi dhe nevojave q\u00eb ajo ka?<\/p>\n

Nimanbegu:<\/strong> Republika e Shqip\u00ebris\u00eb ka marr\u00ebdh\u00ebnie t\u00eb mir\u00eb diplomatike dhe institucionale me Malin e Zi, kurse\u00a0 neve si shqiptar\u00eb ndihmes\u00ebn m\u00eb t\u00eb madhe e kemi n\u00eb shkollimin e lart\u00eb p\u00ebr t\u00eb cilin fitojm\u00eb kuotat. Kemi takime shtet\u00ebrore dhe diplomatike, por mendoj se Republika e Shqip\u00ebris\u00eb, si shtet am\u00eb\u00a0 duhet t\u00eb ket\u00eb veprime t\u00eb niveleve m\u00eb t\u00eb larta kur \u00ebsht\u00eb n\u00eb pyetje Mali i Zi dhe trevat autoktone t\u00eb\u00a0 shqiptar\u00ebve, sepse institucionalisht mund t\u00eb p\u00ebrshpejtohen disa \u00e7\u00ebshtje t\u00eb cilat drejtp\u00ebrdrejt\u00eb ndikojn\u00eb n\u00eb p\u00ebrmir\u00ebsimin e situat\u00ebs socio-ekonomike t\u00eb zonave ku jetojn\u00eb shqiptar\u00ebt, si\u00e7 jan\u00eb hapja e pikave kufitare n\u00eb zonat Hutaj-Zogaj, Sh\u00ebn Koll\u00eb-Pulaj, Cemi i Trieshit-Grabom, si dhe \u00e7\u00ebshjte t\u00eb tjera t\u00eb cilat do t\u00eb ishin n\u00eb interes t\u00eb popullit shqiptar\u00eb. Ne presim q\u00eb n\u00eb periudh\u00ebn e ardhshme t\u00eb kemi nj\u00eb komunikim m\u00eb intenziv dhe ne si popull autokton t\u00eb jemi nj\u00eb ur\u00eb lidh\u00ebse e mar\u00ebdh\u00ebnjeve nd\u00ebrshtet\u00ebrore Shqip\u00ebri \u2013Mali i Zi me theks t\u00eb ve\u00e7ant\u00eb n\u00eb avancimin e pozit\u00ebs shqiptare n\u00eb Mal t\u00eb Zi.<\/p>\n

GeR: <\/strong>Dhe p\u00ebr fund, para se t\u00eb ju urojm\u00eb 28 n\u00ebntorin, Dit\u00ebn e Flamurit, a do t\u00eb mund ta p\u00ebrdorin shqiptar\u00ebt flamurin e tyre p\u00ebr 28 n\u00ebntor pa menduar se mund t\u00eb gjobiten ose arrestohen?<\/p>\n

Nimanbegu:<\/strong> Shqiptar\u00ebt tash sa vite me radh\u00eb e festojn\u00eb lirsh\u00ebm 28 N\u00ebntorin. N\u00eb \u00e7do trev\u00eb shqiptare n\u00eb Mal t\u00eb Zi organizohen festime dhe aktivitete t\u00eb shumta. Shqiptar\u00ebt kan\u00eb t\u00eb drejt\u00eb t\u00eb mbajn\u00eb flamurin dhe k\u00ebt\u00eb e b\u00ebjm\u00eb me krenari; t\u2019ju\u00a0 p\u00ebrkujtoj\u00eb vet\u00ebm festat e 28 N\u00ebntorit n\u00eb 2012 apo edhe aktivitetet q\u00eb mbahen edhe sot n\u00eb vazhdim\u00ebsi. Por nuk mund t\u00eb p\u00ebrgjigjem n\u00eb t\u00ebr\u00ebsi pozitivisht p\u00ebr k\u00ebt\u00eb \u00e7\u00ebshtje, pasi n\u00eb k\u00ebt\u00eb rast kemi t\u00eb b\u00ebjm\u00eb me dy ligje t\u00eb Malit t\u00eb Zi t\u00eb cil\u00ebt jan\u00eb n\u00eb kund\u00ebrshtim me nj\u00ebri-tjetrin, Ligji mbi simbole komb\u00ebtare dhe Ligji mbi qet\u00ebsin dhe rendin publik. Me ligjin e dyte jan\u00eb d\u00ebnuar dy tifoz\u00eb nga Shqip\u00ebria n\u00eb Budva n\u00eb koh\u00eb kur ktheheshin nga kampionati Evropian n\u00eb futboll dhe ne k\u00ebt\u00eb e vler\u00ebsojm\u00eb si t\u00eb papranueshme. Shqiptar\u00ebt kan\u00eb t\u00eb drejt\u00eb t\u00eb mbajn\u00eb flamurin, por jo n\u00eb vende publike ku ka mund\u00ebsi interpretimi qe konsiderohet se prishet rendi dhe qet\u00ebsia, dhe kjo me automatiz\u00ebm e cenon p\u00ebrdorimin e lir\u00eb dhe pa pengesa t\u00eb flamurit komb\u00ebtar\u00eb. Kemi pasur rast t\u00eb gjobimit dhe kemi reaguar ndaj secilit, por kjo nuk \u00ebsht\u00eb e mjaftueshme derisa t\u00eb kemi ligjin mbi rendin publike, i cili n\u00eb sh\u00ebnjest\u00ebr t\u00eb gjobave ka flamurin shqiptar\u00eb. Gjithsesi nj\u00ebra nga k\u00ebrkesat kryesore p\u00ebr qeverin\u00eb e ardhshme, si\u00e7 e kam theksuar edhe m\u00eb lart\u00eb do t\u00eb jet\u00eb ndryshimi\u00a0 i Ligjit mbi rendin dhe qet\u00ebsin\u00eb publike.<\/p>\n

Nj\u00ebher\u00ebsh, shfryt\u00ebzoj rastin q\u00eb t\u00eb gjith\u00eb shqiptar\u00ebve kudo q\u00eb gjenden, t\u2019ju uroj 28 n\u00ebntorin, Dit\u00ebn e Flamurit!<\/p>\n

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